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Composing with loops - I just don't get it

Discussion in 'Music Creation' started by vixo7, Apr 3, 2010.

  1. vixo7

    vixo7 New Member

    I"m new to working with loops. So, say you want to write a blues piece. I start by getting a nice loop of blues drums. So far so good. Next, I find a loop for bread & butter bass and that's when my troubles start. How do I make the loop to play in C, then switch to F, G, etc.?

    Is loop-based composition meant to be to put together what's in the library?

    Thanks for your help changing the paradigm.:confused:
  3. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Administrator Staff Member

    It can work , but I use these very much for a kickoff rather than a whole composition.

    I might stick with a drum loop, but a bass or guitar loop is best used as a draft to get an idea what real player would or could do. I think.

    There have been many issues with cord (and transposition) in global tracks so I don't use those features often, but it may just work for basic blues changes. It is supposwed to work of course!

    I'd be interested to know if anyone had consistent good behaviour from the chord changes in global tracks?
  4. Peter Ostry

    Peter Ostry Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, absolutely. I switch transposition off, chords to "display only" and everything is fine.

    Err ... I think this was a "no" ;)
  5. Per Boysen

    Per Boysen Senior member

    Yes, I used it when it was new (was that Logic 7?). Worked well if paying attention to major vs minor character of the loops you transpose. Today I think it's just too slow and tedious. Most parts come out better if you simply play them.

    I favor green apple loops and unpack them to re-sequence and adapt notes here and there.
  6. samplehood

    samplehood New Member

    of find a loop that match your chords
  7. dsw67

    dsw67 Member

    I hope it's ok to resurrect this thread. I'm new to the forum, and to Logic.

    I've had the same challenge when composing using loops for composing. It seems that the process is geared towards vamp type compositions in one key (not to sound critical, I love that type of music.)

    The biggest challenge for me, is figuring out how to incorporate sections using loops in a single key, then going to a different section which would have more chord/key changes to it.

    For example; let's say I have an A section which consists of 16 measures of music in A minor. Instrumentation is Bass, Drums, Guitar, and Keys. I'm using all audio loops for this section.

    Now, I want to go to a B section which consists of the following chord changes: Dmaj7 (1 measure), C#-7b5 (1 measure), Cmaj7 (1 measure), B-7b5 (1 measure).

    Since I want to 1; Change the harmonic rhythm of the B section and 2, use more chord changes, I'm going to have to sequence this section using all midi, correct?

    So, my question is. Does it make sense to have different sections going from audio to midi and back using the same instrumentation? If so, how does one maintain continuity (in terms of the sound/feel of the instruments) ?
  8. Per Boysen

    Per Boysen Senior member


    Try using Green Apple Loops! Drop them on an Instrument Track to have them unpacked into the original instrument, plugins and MIDI regions. Then you can simply edit the MIDI region to make it match whatever major vs minor chord you have in mind. With this workflow the actual library loop is just the initial spark for your imagination; you may rework the loop as much as you like to go into a slightly different direction.
  9. dsw67

    dsw67 Member

    Thanks Per. So you are saying that both the audio and midi regions can share the same track? Thank you for your help.
  10. Per Boysen

    Per Boysen Senior member

    Well, only partly. Here is the full info on the subject:

    - Blue Apple Loops can only be dropped on an Audio Track.
    - Green Apple Loops can be dropped on both Audio- and Instrument Tracks and then behave accordingly.
    - Green Apple Loops that are dropped on an Audio Tracks behaves just like Blue Apple Loops (audio).
    - Green Apple Loops that are dropped on an Instrument Tracks are being "unpacked" to allow the user to edit anything that created the original loop (like I described above).

    So you may actually drop both Blue and Green Apple Loops on an Audio Track, but then you lose out on all extended options offered by the Green Apple Loops format.
  11. dsw67

    dsw67 Member

    Thank you very much. I will try it this evening when I get home. So much to learn!

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