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@ Eli: key commands "French" keyboard

Discussion in 'Logic Pro X' started by Hugo Jacquet, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. Hugo Jacquet

    Hugo Jacquet Member


    I am started following your course at http://www.groove3.com/str/Logic-Pro-X-Explained.html

    In the introduction you ask us to use the US preset for the key commands. I have a Belgian AZERTY keyboard. This keyboard is very much laid out like a French keyboard.

    I am wondering if this will give problems?

  3. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    Hi Hugo,

    You know, to be honest, I'm not sure. In theory, the key commands should work the same; it's just that the keys are in different places on the keyboard. I think you'd just need to try it and see.

    In any case, using the US set of key commands is just a suggestion. You don't have to. It's just that I make references to key commands for certain tasks throughout the videos. So, if you are using different key commands, that's fine, but you need to be aware of that and understand that the key commands I mention in the videos won't be the same as yours. And that's perfectly fine for experienced users. My suggestion in the Introduction video of using the default US key commands was geared more towards new users.
  4. Hugo Jacquet

    Hugo Jacquet Member

    Okey, thanks.

    I am following the video's now and the key commands are not the same, but I can easily look them up in the key commands window.

    I am noting down the biggest differences in a pages document.

    Some differences are a bit disturbing like stop, play and pause behavior. I will post my findings when this is all clear to me.

    Although I am what you can call a reasonably experienced "basic" DAW user I was extremely frustrated with inconsistencies in workflow in Cubase, the DAW I am used to.

    Most, if not all tutorials on Cubase do not train you in using the key commands at all. They all suggest you have "a look into the key commands and learn them by heart" and to "set up key commands for the functions you use the most". That is not teaching (in my opinion, I am a (music) teacher myself)...

    That's a bit like saying: look; these are the components of a car, put it together to your liking and then drive...or: if you want to hit the brakes with your nose, go ahead. hardly pedagogical...:brkwl:

    I know key commands can be very "personal" and most DAW's have different default commands to do exactly the same thing.

    But to "learn a workflow" I think it's better to stick with what is offered in the beginning and maybe afterwards customize them to your liking when you know exactly what you want to achieve (and how you want to achieve it).

    Hence my preference for your tutorials, hehe, very key commands- centric. :cool:


    P.S. English is no my native language, so please don't mind mistakes against the English language.
  5. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    Hi Hugo,

    I agree that for new users, starting with the defaults is is a good way to go. And then customize as you need along the way as you become more familiar with the overall program. I am sorry to hear about the discrepancies with the foreign keyboard. I have from time to time used the French Canadian keyboards that optionally ship with Macs around here. And there are generally only a few keys that are mapped differently. Mostly for the sake of accommodating characters with accents.

    What language do you have chosen in the Languages & Text system preferences? If it's not already, you might want to try switching it to "English". Maybe that will help?

    PS: I agree that learning key commands from the beginning is an important part of learning a DAW. I've been criticized in the past on other forums (Pro Tools) for focusing too much on key commands. Different strokes for different folks as they say! :D
  6. yavuz

    yavuz Senior member


    I had problems using Turkish Keyboard/
    Logic would not respond or do different things...

    Then, I changed the Keyboard to US from System Preferences->Language and Text Preferences to US kbd to match the Logic KCs preset.
    Now, I switch between Turkish and US settings whenever I use Logic.

    Just wanted to share my experience....
  7. Hugo Jacquet

    Hugo Jacquet Member

    Thanks. For the moment I am going to try it as I described: Write down the discrepancies.

    If that doesn't work out I will try your route.

    I do have a U.S. external keyboard. But things are getting schizophrenic already now :eeek::confused:

    Btw, hi from Belgium from a "fellow jazz guitarist". Nice playing on your site.

  8. Fabulowsky

    Fabulowsky Member

    Folks, at the risk of stating the obvious, you can always force some key commands to use a key position instead of a value in the key command (Alt-K).
    As an example if you wanted your A key to behave as the english Q key at the same location as the french A key, then all you need to do is to select the 'learn by key position' and record the key you want at the location you want without caring about which symbol shifted or not you are going to input...
  9. Hugo Jacquet

    Hugo Jacquet Member


    Thanks for the tip. I figure it involves some work :rolleyes:.

    But I will consider this although as I said before: that can become a bit "chizo".

  10. yavuz

    yavuz Senior member

  11. Eli

    Eli Senior member

    Hey Yavuz,

    Very nice stuff!!
  12. yavuz

    yavuz Senior member

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