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Logic may be faceing extinction

Discussion in 'The LUG Lounge' started by stdonnelly, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. stdonnelly

    stdonnelly New Member

    I have heard from several sources that Apple plans to disband the Logic development group and possibly drastically change Logic as they have done to Final Cut and maybe even remove Logic as we know it from their product line.

    Can anyone verify this rumor?
  3. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    I didn't realize that it was time for this type of nonsensical BS to start making the rounds again, but I guess it is. "Several sources" say this every time more than a month or two goes by without an update to Logic. "Several sources" have always been wrong.

    My suggestion to you—especially if you could use some extra money—is if you truly have "heard" from these sources (meaning, they are people whom you speak to in your daily life, not just Internet rumors), that you make them wager you on this one.

    Bet a lot of money that the team will not be disbanded and Logic isn't going away, using whatever terms they want (no updates, no new version, a new version of Logic that has the same features as GarageBand, whatever).

    You'll win. :thmbup:

  4. mattrixx

    mattrixx Senior member

    "I've heard from several sources... A source close to me.... can anyone confirm this rumour?"
    Eeeergh.. FFS, this crap should be just outright banned from forums. It does nothing and only spurs on the negative rubbish that ferments throughout the net!

    cut the rubbish, ask questions, share tips, use it (Logic), make music or whatever you like, but cut the crap.. END Rant!!
  5. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Administrator Staff Member

    Well if they make Logic as good as the new Final Cut, I won't be complaining.

    BTW, who are your sources? Are they reliable?
  6. michaelo

    michaelo LUG Emeritus

    Yeah thats right they are just gonna throw it all away. Everyone in Apple just woke up to themselves suddenly and realised they have been pissing their lives away building one of the most sophisticated, admired and heavily used applications in the creative world. They thought, nahh, let's get rid of Logic...who needs it anyway....it's of no use....nobody cares about it....
  7. Eddie Sullivan

    Eddie Sullivan Senior member

    Can you please cite the 'several sources' or provide links to them? This way we can see if they are credible...
  8. stdonnelly

    stdonnelly New Member

    Well I guess I got the answer I was hoping for.
    This was a rumor I picked up at a music store in Victoria BC Canada
    I did not intend to insult any dedicated users, for that I am sorry.
    I am new to Logic and I wanted to make sure I spent time and money wisely.
    Thank you for your help.

    I have forwarded your comments to the source of the rumor.
  9. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    Hope you placed a bet as well, per Orren's suggestion. The bottom line is those who know can't say and Apple runs a pretty tight-lipped ship.

    I like the rumors - it's a good source of amusement. And here's what I say to people:

    Don't worry about it. If you can't make good music with the current version of the software, you won't with the next version either. Buy something, learn it, get good at it.

    At the end of the day no one says it would have sounded better in ProTools/Cubase/Digital Performer or should have used a PC instead of a Mac.

    Just write good music - the software isn't that important.
  10. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    That, and use Seagate hard drives. They sound much more analog than Western Digital hard drives...

    Orren <— spreading nonsense for personal amusement. ;)
  11. Doug Zangar

    Doug Zangar Senior member

    Right - forgot about the "Seagate" sound........;)
  12. michaelo

    michaelo LUG Emeritus

    Good tip Orren.... geezzz...next you're gonna be telling us the black notes play louder than the white ones....
  13. EastWest Lurker

    EastWest Lurker Senior member

    Never trust anything a Canadian tells you. :D
  14. charlie

    charlie Senior member

    As an broadcast editor of 17 some-odd years, I must disagree with your praise of the new Final Cut X.... :ooold: (if you are serious.)
    The new Final Cut Pro X has been practically blacklisted by most of the professional editing industry (I can even name a few major TV Networks here in the US who have just removed literally hundreds of FCP stations and replaced them with either Avid or Adobe's Premiere at their post divisions...)
    The Post boutique that I work at here in NYC announced months ago that we would not upgrade the 3 FCP stations to the latest FCPX. We don't do much final cut work but it seemed like 5 steps backward to move to X. (We have roughly 13 top-shelf Avid edit bays & 3 Pro-Tools mirrored rooms plus a graphics dept etc...)

    Who ever the idiots were in Apple's development team who thought it a good idea to thumb their noses at the professional Broadcast/Film editing community by re-writing an essential tool (that people's lively-hoods depended on) and NOT making it backwards-compatible nor able to do 90% of what Pros need it to do, should've been terminated from Apple after such a release. :huh:

    I had never seen such ire from my industry over an upgraded program before. But I can say now that the dust has settled, that it was absolutely deserved.
    Independent freelance Editors whose lively hoods depend on being flexible for their clients suddenly could not open FCP7 projects nor could they export OMFs/AAFs.
    They couldn't even export a simple text-based EDL (edit decision list) of timecode Ins & Outs because the FCP team at Apple decided it was archaic.
    -And as archaic as EDLs may be, they can be incredibly useful if that's all you have.

    My point is that Apple DID blunder their video editor FCP for the professional market. :smashscreen: Avid & Adobe have moved in for the kill and their sales show it.
    If anything, I believe that Apple got a bloody nose on this one & will NOT touch Logic because of the fallout from FCPX.

    FWIW, FCPX is great for enthusiasts (ie; kids) who want to make YouTube videos and avoid anything resembling a professional workflow and ignore any of the actual physics that goes into making video.
    (ie; just because it says you're working in HD on FCPX doesn't actually mean you really are.)

    Sorry for the rant :rtfm: but like I said, Apple F'd this up pretty bad.
    Note that 2 months after its release, Apple quietly brought back FCP7 for sale & extended their support of 7... something Apple has never done before with anything they've come out with.:rolleyes:

    If they DO make Logic like FCPX, I'll be movin' on. :(
  15. Pete Thomas

    Pete Thomas Administrator Staff Member

    I totally understand, but I'm not a broadcast editor. I found FCP to be very intuitive and powerful, I'd been trying to get my head round FC Express for years, to no avail. I hope they also get it sorted for you guys.
  16. Orren Merton

    Orren Merton Logic Samurai / Administrator Staff Member

    So how do you really feel, Charlie? ;)

    I recently had dinner with a friend who is a professional filmmaker and Logic expert and he shares your disappointment with FCP from a professional point of view. That is clearly the opinion of the pro video community.

    However, he also told me that if I, as an amateur, wanted to get into more advanced video editing and compositing, FCPX was a great app for people like me. And as Pete's comment shows, my friend was right, that for the non-pro, FCPX is a worthy app.

    As I said in another thread, I don't see that happening at all. Video is an orders of magnitude larger market than audio, and for audio you need extra skills and equipment and simply isn't something everyone wants to be involved with. In other words, if Logic Pro became an amateur program, it very likely wouldn't increase it's sales that much, because not everyone wants to learn to play an instrument or have anything to do with music. But if you turn FCP into an amateur program, you can theoretically sell it to everyone who has an iPhone video camera and a little bit of ambition.

    OTOH, I do see GarageBand continuing to aim for the "music for fun" crowd like GarageBand for iPad is now, and it's an absolutely fantastic application for what it is. I think that's what people keep forgetting: in video, the "average joe" may want a pro app dumbed down, but in music, the average joe wants an already super basic program dumbed down even more! :)

    And BTW—I use GarageBand (Mac) for my weekly podcast, and I absolutely love it! The one and only feature I can think of that's a bit more on the "pro" side that I'd like to see is automatic crossfades for when you edit some dialog. Other than that it's a complete winner. And I don't want it to get any more pro, and I don't want Logic to get any less pro. And I think the team understands that, and Apple understands that, and all is right with the Apple music software world. :thmbup:

  17. charlie

    charlie Senior member

    I completely agree with you. If you look past what they did to their loyal pro-users, the move to FCPX did actually broaden their customer base because of all the "kids" (and a few grown-ups too) wanting to put videos up on YouTube & Vimeo etc and not really deal with the issues we do in the pro world.

    Just based on the fallout alone, I don't think Apple would want to mess with Logic the same way. They certainly would not want to seem like the "pro-app killers!" :tongue:
  18. projectk2r4

    projectk2r4 New Member

    This is not conclusive, but believe it or not, I emailed Steve Jobs about a year ago asking about the future of Logic. I asked if Apple was going to continue investing in it in the future. In his usual terse nature, he responded "Yep."

  19. bruno garza

    bruno garza Member

    Even if they did discontined Logic, I still have my copy of Logic and can create music if they end Logic.
    So what is the Logic of this post?
  20. CSeye

    CSeye Senior member

    Another die-hard Seagate user here.;)

    The release of 9.1.6 with the Provide Logic Pro Feedback link in the Logic menu is to me, a powerful indicator of continued development.

    On a side note, this feedback link is perhaps a slight nod towards the degree of interactivity between Steinberg and it's users over at steinberg.net. SB reps frequently make announcements, respond to user comments/requests, and at times will acknowledge that an issue is a "bug". The other really smart move by SB was to require entering the licensing number as part of the forum registration. Only licensed product users can make comments at the respective forums. Otherwise, it's a read only situation for visitors, except for the general audience Welcome to Steinberg where interested parties can ask pre-purchase questions and such. The result of this filtering is a more respectful community of users at all levels helping each other solve problems.
  21. Morpheo

    Morpheo New Member

    Apple released FCP X 10.0.3 today with major improvements. If anything, I think it confirms that they're not leaving the pro market just yet, which imo is very good news regarding Logic's future...

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