i just got dissed by a moderator for identical posts to both 8 and 9 forums. browsers of either forum could probably help answer my question. the mod locked the post in the 8 forum. i didn't even say what version i had. move all the 8 and 9 posts into a single general "logic" forum, trash the old ones, then make a new one - "new features in logic 9". this would be super easy to do. it would lead to more/better answers. aint this the key to a successful forum with lots of posters? probably one of the best suggestions you'll ever get. either way, thanks for running it. folks who run forums should be proud of all the people they are helping.