Logic Pro 9 Alphatrack alternative?

#1
Anything similar that is currently working with L 9.1 in 64 bit mode? I didn't think Faderport was happening either by looking at their forums so maybe I'm missing some other vender or, (most likely) it's just too early to find anything written for 64 bit yet. At least for the mac. Alphatrack does work in 9.1 in 32 bit mode BTW.
 
#2
Since EXS24 doesn't need 64bit mode to access extra RAM, and virtually no 3rd party plugs use 64 bit yet, I don't know what the rush is to work in 64bit. I am probably not going to work in either 64bit mode nor boot into the 64bit kernel (and you can use 64bit Logic on top of the 32bit kernel btw) for another year.

The Alphatrack is a nice little puppy. :thmbup:
 

Markdvc

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#3
Actually, running logic in 64 bit mode has major advantages in terms of the amount of memory that can be used, even with 32 bit Audio Units at present. Logics own plugins and any 64 bit AUs such as those from Apple, or Stylus RMX, of course get to adress 64 bit memory space which to all intents and purposes is unlimited, apart from which and an additional 4 GB memory is available to the 32 bit Bridge. This is way more memory than was available to Audio Units working inside of logic in 9.0.2. If you haven't done so, I suggest you try it ;)

kind regards

Mark
 
#5
What do you expect from a controller working in 64 Bit?
For it to actually work :)

I'm hitting the same problem as Dave - the Alphatrack works fine in 32 bit mode on 9.1 but not at all in 64 bit mode.

Even though I've only got 4 GB of RAM I'm finding that I'm able to load more orchestral sounds than before, so would like to stay with 64 bit. But I'd also like to stay with the Alphatrack, so am hoping that Frontier will fix the problem quickly. We've both already posted on the Frontier forum.

Fingers crossed.

Chris
 
#6
Anything similar that is currently working with L 9.1 in 64 bit mode? I didn't think Faderport was happening either by looking at their forums ...
What do you expect from a controller working in 64 Bit?
I expect that it works:tongue:! At this point it's useless (if I'm in 64 bit mode). I know it's very early to complain but I rely on this stupid little device when I mix. I'll be patient though.
 
#7
I'm hitting the same problem as Dave - the Alphatrack works fine in 32 bit mode on 9.1 but not at all in 64 bit mode.
The MIDI device plug-in for the Alphatrack is not yet 64 Bit capable. As this plug-in is provided by Frontier, they have to rebuild it for 64 Bit. I guess they will provide an update soon.

Btw.: Same is true for MIDI device plug-ins of other manufacturers, if the plug-in is provided by the manufacturer and not with Logic itself.

Best...

Manfred
 

Orren Merton

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#9
What do you expect from a controller working in 64 Bit?
Peter, I think the issue is that unless the drivers are rewritten to be accessible by a 64-bit application (in other words, 64-bit drivers), the controller will simply not be recognized, and therefore will be unusable.

I don't think there would be any performance benefit from 64-bit drivers. Maybe slightly less latency, but that's just a guess.
 

Orren Merton

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#10
Actually, running logic in 64 bit mode has major advantages in terms of the amount of memory that can be used, even with 32 bit Audio Units at present.
That's assuming you have a Mac with that extra RAM. If you're running an iMac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro with 5GB RAM or less your machine (or in my case, my machine ;) ) really doesn't have more RAM than can be accessed by a 32-bit application anyway.

Also, I've been hearing on other forums and privately that for a significant number of users of Rewire slave applications, the lack of a 64-bit Rewire driver from Propellerheads is a deal killer.

So while 64-bit Logic is a Big Dealâ„¢ and a Godsend for many, for others it's great for "bragging rights" vis a vis other Mac DAWs but not really practical until more RAM is purchased and/or Rewire (and in the case of this thread, controller) 64-bit drivers are released.

Orren
 
#13
That's assuming you have a Mac with that extra RAM. If you're running an iMac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro with 5GB RAM or less your machine (or in my case, my machine ;) ) really doesn't have more RAM than can be accessed by a 32-bit application anyway
Orren,

I'm finding that I can access more memory on my 4GB iMac in 64-bit mode.

I was building an orchestral template using the Kirk Hunter Emerald library in Logic 9.02, but had to give up once Logic got to about 1.8 GB of real memory because of low memory warnings. With 9.1 in 64-bit mode, I completed the template and have so far got up to 2.3 GB of real memory without warnings. To check, I tried switching back to 32-bit mode, but got the plugins disabled message at about 1.8 GB of real memory.

Chris
 
#14
That's assuming you have a Mac with that extra RAM. If you're running an iMac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro with 5GB RAM or less your machine (or in my case, my machine ;) ) really doesn't have more RAM than can be accessed by a 32-bit application anyway
Orren,

I'm finding that I can access more memory on my 4GB iMac in 64-bit mode.

I was building an orchestral template using the Kirk Hunter Emerald library in Logic 9.02, but had to give up once Logic got to about 1.8 GB of real memory because of low memory warnings. With 9.1 in 64-bit mode, I completed the template and have so far got up to 2.3 GB of real memory without warnings. To check, I tried switching back to 32-bit mode, but got the plugins disabled message at about 1.8 GB of real memory.

Chris
That's what I wanted to hear. Now I'd be curious if you can actually get up to the 4 gb limit if you keep adding instruments. :thmbup: I also get the low memory warning at about 1.8 gb of actual memory used. But unfortunately for me, many of these songs use BFD2, and, BFD2 is not supported in 64 bit mode.
 

Orren Merton

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#15
That's assuming you have a Mac with that extra RAM. If you're running an iMac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro with 5GB RAM or less your machine (or in my case, my machine ;) ) really doesn't have more RAM than can be accessed by a 32-bit application anyway
Orren,

I'm finding that I can access more memory on my 4GB iMac in 64-bit mode.

I was building an orchestral template using the Kirk Hunter Emerald library in Logic 9.02, but had to give up once Logic got to about 1.8 GB of real memory because of low memory warnings. With 9.1 in 64-bit mode, I completed the template and have so far got up to 2.3 GB of real memory without warnings. To check, I tried switching back to 32-bit mode, but got the plugins disabled message at about 1.8 GB of real memory.

Chris
That's what I wanted to hear. Now I'd be curious if you can actually get up to the 4 gb limit if you keep adding instruments. :thmbup: I also get the low memory warning at about 1.8 gb of actual memory used. But unfortunately for me, many of these songs use BFD2, and, BFD2 is not supported in 64 bit mode.
Daveyboy,

You may still get the benefits with BFD2 that Chris is talking about. He (I'm pretty sure) is referring to running the 64-bit version of Logic, but loading the 32-bit bridge with 32-bit plug-ins. So you could, theoretically, launch the 64-bit version of Logic, then load BFD2 into the 32-bit bridge. This should allow you to talk more advantage of your RAM, since 32-bit plug-ins now have their own, dedicated memory space outside of Logic.

Ultimately, I think that the 64-bit version of Logic will be of use to people who use ROMplers and large sample libraries and don't use ReWire (or any of the other Logic elements that are currently only available in 32-bit), even if most of your plug-ins are still only 32-bit.

Orren
 
#16
Sorry - I should have said that I was using EXS24. I'm planning to see how far I can go with EXS24 instruments and with Kontakt (using the bridge), so will report back.

Chris
 
#17
Yeah, BFD2 just does not work (yet, fingers crossed) in 64 bit mode at all. If I use it and work in 64 I'll have to finish my BFD stuff in 32, mix it, etc and bounce it down and then reboot back into 64.
 
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