For me, using a Gain plug on tracks or subs covers most of what I need, and can be done with Live automation feel. I totally agree about the lack of Undo on Fader moves - that is a huge PITA, and I've had to Save As, go back to Project backups, and fuss, just to get back levels that I'd screwed up. Oh year, and some proper automation snapshot functionality too....Yeah, Roger knows where i'm coming from here. Using busses etc is a slightly different thing, & trimming a section with a mouse, is again not the same feel as writing trim information with a control surface, whilst the track plays back.
I think this may be one of the last areas that it's lacking in ( & the way you can't undo a simple fader movement - Doh !)
I find that VCA's are something one uses, *as well* as bussing tracks. Sometimes they can be used interchangeably (like just grouping some BV's) other times (like quickly pulling down different kinds of tracks, that are already bussed too) they really come into there own.If you want a VCA Fader, then bus all the vocals to an Aux Fader.
Presupposing that all the tracks in the group require exactly the same sends. In the example that I gave earlier (all the vocals) this would be pretty unusual, at least in my mixes.If you want a VCA Fader, then bus all the vocals to an Aux Fader. In the example you've just asked about the results would be the same, and the clutter would be no different than PT.
Not sure what you mean by 'flip your faders' but I get the general idea. And sure, you can eventually achieve the same end. But in this example with a big time penalty (depending on how many tracks we're talking about). And, in other examples that have been given, at the expense of greater routing complexity.If you want to ride individual Trims like you can in PT, then select all the vocal tracks at once in the mixer, add the gain plug-in and then flip your faders. automate the gain and then when the producer says he liked it the way you had it mixed before bypass the gain plug-ins.