Logic Pro (X) Can Anybody Move Objects in Environment


Just got back from my holiday to discover that X is out. I am trying to get the hang of it now and I have come across a strange thing.
I usually set up my mixer in the environment rather than using the "Mixer". I do use both but I find that there are situations where the environment one is better.
My question is "can anybody move audio objects in the environment" and "can you only have one horizontal row now and no longer any verticals".
When I try to move an objects it moves quite strangely and although I can place an object below the first row then it doesn't open up more room like it used to.
Just making sure I'm not sending a bug to Apple which turns out to be me not doing things correctly.

All the Best
Here a channel strip does drag oddly - if the hand touches the bottom edge of the window the channel strip returns to its start point or disappears to a new area off screen, requiring a window scroll to find it.
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Hmm I can't. In my mixer environment I can't move anything to the left. It just moves further to the right and places the channel strip outside the screen so I have to scroll to find it.
I think I better post this to Apple. How do I do that, I have completely forgotten where the link is.
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Alright I can see that the problem only occurs when you have more channel strips (objects) that can be seen at once.
Could somebody please try to create an empty project with ie 24 audio tracks or however many you need to go over the screens capacity. Move the last one (master) to the right. That in itself behaves strangely but after doing that successfully, take the strip called output (second last) and move it to where the master was.
Here the output moves very far right (further than the master) and cannot be dragged left again.
I run X on a 2010 Mac Pro running 10.8.4 so the machine should definitely be up to it.
For everyone who uses Environment this is a huge bug and makes it almost impossible to keep the setup tidy until it's fixed.
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I've already submitted a bug report to Apple for the Environment.

It feels like there's a "magnetic" force that pulls objects top left. If I select all objects except one, I can move them around, but if select all objects on a layer, they snap to top left.

I've also experienced the weird movement of objects flying way off to the right, almost never to be found again.

Maybe you guys can also weigh in on this. If the Logic team gets a few reports about the same problem, maybe they'll take it more seriously....
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Oh I didn't see that Shapiro already has submitted it but it's probably true that the more the merrier.
36 tracks, man you must have a big display :)
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I have also submitted the bug now. This is a big and silly one so I would think this will get on the top of the list.

At least I hope....
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I'm curious if you can scroll horizontally in the environment? I don't have any scroll bars so have to make the window larger and then move it to the left, off screen, I order to view more channels.

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You can only scroll when you exceed the number of objects that can fit within the window. Scrolling works fine here.

As for frustrating.....Oh yes indeed but "luckily" this bug is so huge that I'm sure it will big fixed asap. All other bugs seem minor compared to this. That is not to say that the others aren't significant but this one is so ridiculously big that it shouldn't have passed the beta testing.
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Problems with environment

I'm having problems in the environment too. If I try to move an object it seems to disappear. Often just selecting an object is enough to make it disappear. It's not actually deleting the objects, just moving them somewhere else - so now when I scroll from side to side there's are empty spaces in some parts and a huge jumble of objects on top of each other in other parts.
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Have just done a test with a new, blank song. It's OK when you can see everything in the environment. Created extra tracks. Now each time I select an object, Logic moves it about half a screen to the right. There is no way of returning it to its original position manually.

Yes there is! I tried doing what daveyboy says he has to do - move the window off the edge of the screen and extend it to the right until everything is visible at the right hand limit of the environment. I can now move objects without Logic repositioning them off the right hand side of the screen.

Unfortunately this doesn't work for my older song - I have no idea how to clean up the mess!
Major bug. Hope they get it fixed soon.
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I'm sure this is on the top of their list. It's the only enormous bug but apparently it's not easily fixed since it wasn't part of 10.0.1
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Thanks HKC. I wonder how they could have released X without noticing there was a problem here. I noticed earlier on another site someone had said that we should all send Apple more feedback and add comment to crash reports. It's something I've started doing more often recently.
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