Logic Pro 9 Logic 9 a bit of gratitude

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chugbry

Logician
Dear Apple Inc.
I for one would like take this opportunity to say thankyou for your continued support and forward thought of our wonderful software.
Thanks for Logic 9 and the effort the team has put into it!
I know that at times it must seem that us Logic users do nothing but gripe & winge and moan about every minute disturbing feature.
But I want it on record that I know how to say thanks for your efforts.

Keep up the good work all you Apple Logic developers.

Thanks Again

Chris Courage

Silver Pine Digital
New Zealand.

P.S. Hey everyone how 'bout let's give a big thanyou to the Logic team at Apple for a change eh?
 
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This was a great idea Chris!

I also want to give the Logic team a big hand for the work they put in, being a software developer for 30 years myself, I constantly see how people think that developing software is a piece of cake and they "demand" to have all kinds of features implemented and delivered tomorrow.

I applaud the refinement You have put into the latest versions of Logic and for me, Logic 8 have been the best, most robust and the smoothest version of Logic so far.
And on monday, when my Logic 9 upgrade arrives, I expect to enjoy more of the same!

Thanks Guys, You ROCK!

Janne
 
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Nice idea Chris. I must say, while it is important that issues, shortcomings and problems people are having with logic are discussed in the forum, right now I think that it is really appropriate to have a "well done guys, even if we are often critical, we love what you create for us" thread. I'm glad to sign up to this one 🙂

kind regards

Mark
 
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Apple actually released "Logic 8Plus" not Logic 9

I don't want to rain down on your love-fest here, but have you actually installed and used the new Logic version.

My original anger turned into shock at how Apple could release this thing after two years and even call that Logic 9. I read through the online manual yesterday and actually installed Logic 9 today to see it with m own eyes. I can guarantee you, that if I would install L9 on your machine you wouldn't even notice it. It barely didn't change anything, maybe a few more new bugs, we will see.

There are only a couple of high profile "audio only" add ons that act as a big smoke screen (Flex-time, drum replace, bounce-InPlace, etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they are there, BUT this alone doesn't justify a big L9 release number along with a $199 price tag. If you use Logic as a MIDI composing tool then 99% of your workflow did not change, you are still working in L8. There is nothing, I mean absolutely nothing that even tries to help with modern sample libraries, Key-switch issues, MIDI editing and so on.

And don't get me started on the lack of long file name support. This is how the Logic team shows you the finger.

Maybe the real work is under the hood. Yes maybe but Apple won't tell us, they pull the same arrogant number by not releasing a new features/ changed features list along with the new software release. Excuse me, is this a treasure hunt or a where is Waldo game. The Forums are full of posts where we exchange all our discoveries. I can picture the development team watching all that with ".. yes they found another one ..."

Maybe there are 200 new features but moving the "Movie" commands from the Options menu to the File menu doesn't count, sorry.

L8 was a real upgrade with actual improvement and I hoped they would have continued in all the areas they didn't have time in L8. But this time they just slapped on a few audio features and but now real improvements. The Environment, one of the most powerful features that sets Logic apart from the rest hasn't been touched for years. The objects look like they haven't been touched since the Atari times.

So be prepared when you open the box. It will be your old Logic8 with a few added audio features. Maybe that is the reason why they didn't bother to print a L9 manual. Seriously, not even an indexed pdf file, only the OSX type Help window which is exactly the same content that you can find on Apple's website (http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/).

I think that is enough about the new "Logic 8Plus" (aka Logic9)
 
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I have installed it. Couple things. (1) Touché on your criticism of the lack of long file name support. I'm stunned that is still not fixed. (2) I agree completely that this is an audio only update. (3) I can't believe with this amazing time stretching technology that there is still no way to precisely control or automate pitch; the technology is right there, but they just didn't deliver the final tool we all needed, good pitch control--all the attention is on timing with no thought given to pitch. Sure there's DJ-style fades and rudimentary speed control, but with the great time-stretching algorithm they have, it's an utter shame they didn't introduce regional pitch shifting and pitch automation for audio. Wasted opportunity... BIG TIME.

I will say this. Pedalboard and Amp Designer together are easily worth $199. For me, it's worth the upgrade, but I agree there are some glaring omissions in this release. And you are right. This is Logic 8.5, not Logic 9. But damn, I'm still pretty happy with it. The stem building (including Aux tracks), bounce-in-place and other functions are a Godsend! 🙂
 
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PS: with bounce-in-place set to remove plugins and bounce to the same track, you can actually now pretty much work destructively in the arrange window if you wish. This is a big deal. But you have the freedom to work more non-destructively if you want to by simply changing the options in the confirmation window that pops up. This a very cool tool. I once begged for Logic to use Waveburner's method of assigning effects chains to a region and then bounce them down when you want to. This is very close to that. And every bounce is a new audio file, so you can revert if you need to.
 
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EdgarRothermich said:
I don't want to rain down on your love-fest here, but have you actually installed and used the new Logic version.
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Sure you do. If you didn't want to rain on the love fest, you would have started a new thread.

And I have Logic 9 installed, BTW.

I can guarantee you, that if I would install L9 on your machine you wouldn't even notice it.
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What exactly is the guarantee you're offering? Because I absolutely can tell the difference. Do I win something? 😉

There are only a couple of high profile "audio only" add ons that act as a big smoke screen (Flex-time, drum replace, bounce-InPlace, etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they are there, BUT this alone doesn't justify a big L9 release number along with a $199 price tag.
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First of all, adding major features is far from a smoke screen. But there are so many things here that professional engineers have been asking for that you haven't mentioned:
  • Robust Session Import
  • Robust Notes for each channel
  • Bouncing/Export of Aux tracks
  • Sampler Track from Audio material
  • Varispeed
  • More Logical channel/track naming
And so on.

If you use Logic as a MIDI composing tool then 99% of your workflow did not change, you are still working in L8.
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Let's see...MIDI composing tool changes that I can think of off the top of my head:
  • Chord/Tab symbols in Score Editor
  • Changed Note Selection behavior in Score
  • Extended Region menu can be floating menu again
  • In Piano Roll context menu, "Create Note" and "Define Note"
  • New Transport options for Play and Cycle affect MIDI composing

So these aren't maybe as "sexy" as the audio stuff (or as profound) but you can't say that nothing at all has changed. There may be more, too, I just haven't found it yet.

And don't get me started on the lack of long file name support. This is how the Logic team shows you the finger.
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Yeah, it completely sucks there isn't long file name support throughout the app. But it's there in parts of the app now I think Freeze files can have long names, a few other things. So it seems to me that the process of long file name support is underway, and just taking a God-awful amount of time. It's real easy to point fingers and say that they could have done it by now, and maybe they could. But until we personally have looked at the code and know what is involved, we don't know for sure. And yes, as I said, it sucks.

L8 was a real upgrade with actual improvement
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What's interesting is that in the forums a few years ago when Logic 8 came out a lot of other people were really upset saying that while they put a pretty skin on Logic, it was functionally the same as Logic 7 + Takes folder. I'm not saying I agree, but I think it's interesting now that the forums are literally bursting with people thrilled at what Logic 9 has to offer vs. Logic 8, and here you are, fit to be tied at how Apple has betrayed you. "Horses for Courses" as they say.

You aren't impressed with Logic 9, others do seem to be. I am. It's all opinion. Perhaps it will grow on you. Perhaps you'll switch to Reaper. If you do, please write your personal manuals BTW, I think they're very well done! :thmbup: (that is not me being patronizing, I mean that).

Orren
 
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this place is a riot.

i ended up ordering the logic9 upgrade to install on my laptop. figured i'll have a look at it and see if it's worth the hassle. though w/the criticisms and bugs i've read about here and on other forums i'm starting to wonder if i should cancel my order before it ships. i mean, logic 8 is stable enough for me and i don't know if i wanna deal w/a new set of bugs of which there seem to be a surprising few.

i don't recall the jump from logic 3 to 4 being this fraught with hesitation.
 
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New features
Logic Pro 9:
Flex Time (Elastic Audio equivalent)
Audio Quantize
Bounce in Place
Selective Track Import (choose media, plug-ins, i/o, sends, etc...)
Drum Tracks Editing
Speed Fades (Turntable-style start and stop)
Auto-conform tempo when importing audio
Varispeed
Drum Replacer
Editing within Take Folders
Possibility to assign a channel strip to multiple groups
Channel Strips now have a mono output option
Track Notes in the Mixer
Notes area in Media/Lists area (can display Project/Track notes)
Control Surface bars in the Mixer
Convert Audio Region to Sampler Instrument
Freeze tracks: source only (before plug-ins) or pre-fader (after plug-ins)
Guitar Chord grids with hammer-on, pull-off, bends notation
Amp Designer
Pedalboard
Space Designer Warped Effects
All 6 Jam Packs (including newer "Voices" Jam Pack)
New Gain parameter for Audio Regions
Individual scaling of plug-in windows (100%, 125%, 150%, 175% or 200%)
Set the number of backups directly from Logic
Choose the default Stereo Output so it no longer automatically generates 1-2 every time you create a new track. Also with a mirroring option.
Auto-Colorize Takes, will change the colors automatically of every sequential take wile recording.
Pointer Tool has preferences to also act as Fade (when over the top left or right corner of a region) or Marquee tool (when over the lower half of a region).
Export/Import Markers to Audio File
Quick Look picture of Logic Projects
Play button has new modes: Play Marquee Selection/Cycle/From Selected Region/From Last Locate Position.
Stop button has new modes: Jump Between Marquee/Last Locate Position/Cycle/Selected Region and Project Start if stopped.
Cycle button has new modes: automatically set the Locators by Selection whenever a new Marquee/Region/Note selection is created
Zoom to fit All Contents key command
Region Parameter box as a floating area
Nudge by 1 or 10ms
Logic 9 is a Universal Binary release, although it is officially not supported on PPC

MainStage 2
MIDI Out
ReWire support
Loopback & Playback plug-ins
Live Audio Recording
Amp Designer
Pedalboard
Multi-mapping of controls (one knob = several parameters)
Many more MainStage 2 new features in that thread.

Soundtrack Pro 3
Consolidated Multitrack Timeline & File Editor
Support of Euphonix control surfaces


I think this is why it's called Logic 9 and not Logic 8.0.3
A lot of new features!!!:hippy:
 
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I agree overall an excellent step forward. I am very happy, no complaints and can't wait to lock and load But does anybody else feel that instruments like ESX 24 are getting old and tired, that a 'new' analogue synth would be a welcome addition and the plethora of guitar tools is almost overkill when there isn't one new vocal processing tool which forces me to Antares or Melodyne. Sorry, I know this is supposed to be the 'good job guys' post, which I agree with, but a lot of stuff I do will still be through third party apps.
 
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tooloud said:
I agree overall an excellent step forward. I am very happy, no complaints and can't wait to lock and load But does anybody else feel that instruments like ESX 24 are getting old and tired, that a 'new' analogue synth would be a welcome addition and the plethora of guitar tools is almost overkill when there isn't one new vocal processing tool which forces me to Antares or Melodyne. Sorry, I know this is supposed to be the 'good job guys' post, which I agree with, but a lot of stuff I do will still be through third party apps.
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This IMO has a lot to do with users' different expectations. What I primarily look for from a DAW upgrade are features that only a DAW can provide. A good case in point is the new flex feature set - this is something that has to be built right into the host, whereas if I need Melodyne or Autotune features, or for that matter want the sort of sounds that Omnisphere, Zebra, Alchemy or some other VI provides, there is always the option to go and purchase these. It strikes me that with L9 the Apple team have concentrated on providing a lot of "DAW only" features that have been requested frequently here and elsewhere and as such are indeed giving us what we need.

My 0.02 cents of course 🙂

kind regards

Mark
 
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EdgarRothermich said:
I don't want to rain down on your love-fest here, but have you actually installed and used the new Logic version.

My original anger turned into shock at how Apple could release this thing after two years and even call that Logic 9. I read through the online manual yesterday and actually installed Logic 9 today to see it with m own eyes. I can guarantee you, that if I would install L9 on your machine you wouldn't even notice it. It barely didn't change anything, maybe a few more new bugs, we will see.

There are only a couple of high profile "audio only" add ons that act as a big smoke screen (Flex-time, drum replace, bounce-InPlace, etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they are there, BUT this alone doesn't justify a big L9 release number along with a $199 price tag. If you use Logic as a MIDI composing tool then 99% of your workflow did not change, you are still working in L8. There is nothing, I mean absolutely nothing that even tries to help with modern sample libraries, Key-switch issues, MIDI editing and so on.

And don't get me started on the lack of long file name support. This is how the Logic team shows you the finger.

Maybe the real work is under the hood. Yes maybe but Apple won't tell us, they pull the same arrogant number by not releasing a new features/ changed features list along with the new software release. Excuse me, is this a treasure hunt or a where is Waldo game. The Forums are full of posts where we exchange all our discoveries. I can picture the development team watching all that with ".. yes they found another one ..."

Maybe there are 200 new features but moving the "Movie" commands from the Options menu to the File menu doesn't count, sorry.

L8 was a real upgrade with actual improvement and I hoped they would have continued in all the areas they didn't have time in L8. But this time they just slapped on a few audio features and but now real improvements. The Environment, one of the most powerful features that sets Logic apart from the rest hasn't been touched for years. The objects look like they haven't been touched since the Atari times.

So be prepared when you open the box. It will be your old Logic8 with a few added audio features. Maybe that is the reason why they didn't bother to print a L9 manual. Seriously, not even an indexed pdf file, only the OSX type Help window which is exactly the same content that you can find on Apple's website (http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/).

I think that is enough about the new "Logic 8Plus" (aka Logic9)
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I have no problem with someone saying Logic Pro 9 is merely Apple catching up.
I have no problem with someone saying the new features in LP9 are not what they want or need.

I have a BIG problem with someone saying that it" barely didn't change anything" because it simply isn't true.

Bounce in Place, Selective Track Importing, Flex Tool and Flex editing, Audio Quantizing, Multitrack Editing for Drums, Varispeed, a Drum Replacer, etc. are important workflow features that were on most pros top 20 wish list, if not yours.

When LP8 came out, there as a big hue and cry that "Apple has dumbed down Logic for newbies and does not care about the wishes of its long time pro users."

I have a lot of issues with Apple but it is undeniable to any reasonable person that with LP9 Apple has put the lie to that.
 
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Ignatius, if you are talking about Logic 9 on Intel Macs, I'm not sure I follow you. To me this is Logic 8 with a lot of new (great) tricks. My experience with stability so far is the same as Logic 8. I think the beef here is debate over what features are more important to whom, myself included. I'm disappointed by the lack of pitch control in the arrange, but blown away by everything else. And to me, this is at least as stable.

BTW, I had tons of stability problems in Logic 4. I didn't enjoy stability until 4.8, then it went down hill again. I'm sure all situations are unique. What I can confirm is that Logic 9 on a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM is solid!
 
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Many of the features implemented in this new version are exactly what I've hoped for as a pro user ever since I switched from DP to Logic when Logic 8 came out.

Of COURSE I'm going to do the upgrade! 🙂 It's actually kind of a no-brainer for me.

What's the experience so far with compatibility for third party plugs?
 
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LSchefman said:
What's the experience so far with compatibility for third party plugs?
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My experience is total compatibility. I don't think that anything fundamentally changed with Audio Units handling between Logic 8 and Logic 9, so if it worked in Logic 8.0.2, it works in Logic 9.

Orren
 
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LSchefman said:
What's the experience so far with compatibility for third party plugs?
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It's early days yet, but so far I have come across no problems with Waves, Sonalksis, Sonnox, Melodyne, PSP, NI, Omnisphere, Zebra, Korg LC, Camelaudio, Audioease, Fabfilter and Ohmforce.

kind regards

Mark
 
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chugbry said:
Dear Apple Inc.
I for one would like take this opportunity to say thankyou for your continued support and forward thought of our wonderful software.
Thanks for Logic 9 and the effort the team has put into it!
../..
P.S. Hey everyone how 'bout let's give a big thanyou to the Logic team at Apple for a change eh?
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I just ordered my copy of Logic 9 today,
perpetuating my traditional trust for the developers that I really appreciate since Notator SL on my Atari !
(Yes feeling a bit old !)
Thanks Gerhard and all others for keeping the dream and the really true message that was written in the emagic manual:

"Go to Work with a Smile !!"

Loads of XXXXX to this old team from Hamburg (and to new Apple developers too, the new GUI is awesome !),
Fabien
 
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